I'll bet it's the same excuses the downhitters use also, i think there is a downhitters manual somewhere.
1 can't tithe anymore.
2 Your not at war.(even if you are at war).
3 No message at all(usual tactic with a couple of the diks).
4 Your getting to close. Even if the NW disparity is over 500k difference.
5 needed some land to build on and your were close.
etc etc etc
same ole song and dance.

