Tempers Ball

you guys were going to hit us eventually.

as steven opined when we were discussing war possibilities last night - we've "jumped the gun."

Thats pretty good guys, really shows how good you are.
You wait till we take your fellow faith mates land and then hit us while we are at war with them still so you can take thier land too.

Looks like you took out most of your anger on the Regulators and steven.

Are you all done so that we may begin our retal?

no, we asked cd last night if they wanted us to join in.

why? you misrepresented your stats in your warthread.

i know you were at 475k anw last night, not 425k. i know because i was watching the scrolls

that's not the reason why we're hitting - though, it might be the icing on the cake.

but either way, if cd wants to take their land back from you guys, i fail to understand why your logic assumes we'd be against it.

I'm not in on this war, so I'm just going to spam up the thread.

424,897 is the number before we hit.

period.

There is no misrepresenting involved at all, the nunber is the number.
it went up AFTER we hit, just like yours is going up right now.
Its because we took land from them, our number goes up, thier number goes down.

Thats how it works and if Im not mistaken, how the whole game works.

You guys were going to hit down on us and now are justifying it by trying to twist numbers around, Say we were going to hit you, blah...blah...fucking blah...

special double post:

no, you were ranked ahead of weec - and given that weec was at 474k anw, you must have been at least slightly above that.

nice try, though.

Congratulations, Swift. You just pulled a WeeC.

No, you are wrong.
we were behind Weec at 424,897
We hit BEFORE we posted the thread.
our main strike was over in a matter of minutes.
the thread was ready to post before we hit with the stats from the rankings that were there before we hit.

Those are cool pics btw

i checked the stats two hours before your war.

in fact, a day before you hit you had 512k anw at 7 members.

even if you added a member with -0- networth, your anw would have been 448k.

so, no, you are wrong.

if anything, you got into chat, said "haha, let's pull a funny one, downsize troops because we're hitting down anw, then copy/paste the stats and claim it's "fair"."

look, i am not overly concerned with your moral stance on manipulating stats and making wars look "good". if you do a shitty hit on a guild, they'll know it's shitty. what's more - what comes around goes around in this game.

so, to be clear: i don't care if the stats you posted in one war are incorrect, and i do not care about the moral implications. cd conveyed that they felt the hit was not of the "good" kind (read your warthread). we said, "hay, you want to hit them with us?" we received no response. now we're hitting you guys. i am not sure what cd wants to do - and, really, what they decide to do is their choice.

they have my aim if they want to chat or let me know what's going on

I'm not a big fan of WeeC, but in the interest of "Fairness," oh great Bundesbank...


What does WeeC have to do with it? Only thing I can see is they're the closest threat, so why not take them out too, and just hope that no one notices it because you're trying to act like a big bad guy on the block?

Not impressed.

i stated in my first post:

this wasn't about mfr cutting their anw by 50k in their warthread.

this was because they (angie, though i am 95% sure just weec) were going to hit us.

as steven told me over aim:
SexayGuy1: we were going to hit today

our powers of deduction over here in swift p are amazing!

You know, if you separate the two situations, you see some very clear trends.

First, you hit MFR for something that could be described as a "not good" hit. I'd have to say it dances the line between a cowardly hit and a downhit, but I don't see the clear argument for "downhit" there.

And second, you see Swift saying, "well, they were gonna hit us, so we hit them first." Why is it that so many guilds have said that, and think that it's perfectly good reasoning? Did anyone bother to look at the stats for this "war"?

Last I checked, Swift was around 600k net and WeeC was around 450kish net. With an extra member or two, I don't remember exactly. Between the tweo, I'd have to say Swift made a much worse downhit than MFR ever could.

no, first, you see swift saying "well, they were gonna hit us"

and second, you see swift saying, "well, we weren't inclined to say 'hay guys, let's wait for mfr to finish their cheese war'."

if weec does this to us later in the age, thems is the dice.

we weren't going to sit around and let them parkinglot us all in their first strike, though.

[edit]ok, their strike plan was to parkinglot all of our big kingdoms except me in the first strike. on the second strike, they would parkinglot me.

so not entirely true.

on an unrelated note,

You are absolutly correct.
We were higher 2 days before we hit CD.
WE GOT BURNRD AND LOOTED FOR DAYS before we hit.
As a matter of fact, we were getting burned while we were hitting CD and it was not them.
I think that everyone will agree that burning and looting causes your networth to drop ??
Of course when YOU were asked about it BEFORE we hit cd, you didnt know anything about it.
So, knowing this how can you say we were so much bigger ? ( or did you just sort of "forget" that part ?)

Here is the scrolls from about 20 mins before we hit. I know, because I saved them in my AIM.

Muaddib 500 (8:58:37 PM):
Last update Mon Apr 30 20:50:00 2007.
Guild Members Avg. Netw.
SWIFT PEE PEE (Swift P) 10 614,007
WICKED EVILELMO CLAN (WeeC) 12 473,712
MFREGULATORS (MFR) 8 442,521
CASTIGO DIVINO (CD) 11 344,360

Net worth shuffled around in the 20ish mins before we hit, I'm sure. Both guilds nw dropped, from the look of it. So what do you believe more? Your "I know because I look at the scrolls" or my copy+paste?

That being said, you hit a smaller guild at war. The guild you're supposed to be "helping" gets no help. Land grab. Congrats.

SWIFT PEE PEE (Swift P) 10 604,428
WICKED EVILELMO CLAN (WeeC) 12 434,039
SHADES OF REMEMBRANCE (Shade) 11 332,888
THE FREE ENTERPRISE (Tycoon) 5 306,591
CASTIGO DIVINO (CD) 11 302,365

MFREGULATORS (MFR) 8 130,355

here we go, Im posting the stats of your hit for you

you 604,428

us 130,355

did I do it right ?
I did it the same way you did so it has to be right doesnt it ?